Our Letters to the Board page continue to attract a lively discussion. The current topics: dogs on Gyro Beach; the proposed development (and removal of trees) at 2345 Queenswood Drive; and derelict boats on-shore, or just off it.
It was with great interest that I read the above article in todays issue of the Oak Bay News. A friend (Cadboro Bay Resident) and I were doing garbage pick up at Caddy Beach, May 18 and noticed 5 derelict boats (2 partially submerged and 3 beached) there at that time.
I sent a letter to Saanich Municipal Council as well as talked with John Roe of the Dead Boat Society. I also sent a letter to Andrew Weaver, though have not heard back. The automated reply from Saanich Municipal Council was that it would be brought forward, though have not heard anything since.
I am delighted to hear that the Cadboro Bay Resident Association is doing beach clean ups and is actively involved with the on-going issue of derelict and abandoned boats.
On another note, as we walked south along the beach, we came across many feet of coiled, perforated pipes. They appeared to be drainage pipes, though we were not sure about this. There was a lot of overhanging invasive ivy in that area, so was hard to get in underneath the ivy to investigate any further. I’d be very interested to know why it is there?
Is there also interest in removing invasive ivy from the beach and replacing with beach grass?
From Jerry Donaldson for CBRA and Dead Boats Society:
It’s Thursday, May 21, 2020.
The following boats are abandoned and/or derelict in the Bay:
Boat 1: 18 ft. power boat “Ms L.”, on the beach Saanich side.
Boat 2: Spellbound, 25 ft. sloop, on the beach, Oak Bay side.
Boat 3: Free Spirit, 24 ft. sloop, below the high tide mark on the Oak Bay side
Boat 4: Sea Lion, 27 ft. sloop, the Oak Bay side.
Boat 5: Name unknown, 28 ft. sloop, sunk on the Saanich side 150 feet offshore, on the Saanich side.
Boat 6: A sunken sailboat, maybe 18 ft. , a few hundred yards off-shore on the Saanich side
Boat 7: Boat 7 has been removed by parties unknown
Boat 8: Unnamed sloop, approximately 28 ft., on the rocks on the east side of the bay, in Saanich in front of 2855 Sea View Road.
Removal efforts John Roe has now posted the 30 day notice on each boat. At the expiration of 30 days he will be in a position to launch removal efforts. My information is that Boat 6 and Boat 8 may not be included in John Roe’s efforts. I will clarify that with him prior to the CBRA Board meeting next week. There may be a Boat 9 on the east shore, near Boat 8. More information as we received it.
A sailboat has beached on Gyro Beach this morning.
No identification on the boat of any kind. The Coast Guard has been also notified, and the RVYC was also contacted to see if it was one of theirs. No response so far. If any reader can identify it, please contact Eric Dahli of the Dead Boats Society.
Saanich is planning on putting Do Not Cross tapes up around the boat. Please keep your kids from climbing aboard and playing pirate.
Thanks to Ian for the message and to Jerry for the original call this morning.
Update from Eric Dahli (CBRA Chair), Dec 22, 1pm:
I am advised of the following:
The owner has been in touch with the Coast Guard
The owner has advised he will hire a tug to pull this very heavy Ferro cement boat off the beach.
A neighbour removed fuel and flammables from the boat earlier to-day.
It appears that someone has been onboard both nights, removing items ( solar pane and yet to be determined articles from below deck.
If you are down on the beach and see someone on the boat, please check and see if they are the owner and if you can, get some contact information.
Cadboro Bay resident and RVYC member Marianne Scott reports the good news that first steps are being taken at the national level to deal derelict boats:
In October 2017, Transport Canada announced it would appropriate $6.85 million to clean up derelict boats. Called the Abandoned Boat Program, the funding would be spread over five years (PY September 2017). For 2018, British Columbia was to receive $412,475.
Individuals, municipalities and companies could apply for contracts to remove wrecks. The application paperwork was massive: each boat must be assessed individually and tested for hazardous materials. Applications for assessment and removals (A&R) projects opened on April 3, and Victoria’s Salish Sea Industrial Services won the bid to remove 17 wrecks from Salt Spring’s beaches.
A registered Aboriginal Business, Salish Sea partners with the Ralmax Group of Companies. Project Manager Rob Menzies outlined the A&R process, which took a surprisingly short two months. “John Roe, a strong proponent of wreck removal through the Veins of Life Watershed Society, earmarked the wrecks,” he said. “He knew the most hazardous ones.”
The Ralmax Group has all the resources to tackle the A&R tasks. “After we signed our contract in October, we took a large barge to Salt Spring,” Menzies told me. “The 17 wood or fibreglass boats ranged from 18-85 feet and were dispersed iamong three locations. One had sunk and the others—including a 65-ft landing craft in Fulford Harbour—had washed up in the intertidal zone.”
What shocked Menzies and his colleagues was the rubbish that was heaped inside the wrecks. “Full garbage bags, old plywood, dog poop,” said Menzies. “These hulls were full. I just don’t how people can be OK with that.”
Starting on November 13, a heavy crane lifted the derelicts onto the barge. “We had high tides which helped us float the hulks intact,” said Menzies. “If we raised them from the beach, they could’ve disintegrated and spilled garbage and hazardous waste on the shore. We then towed the barge to our Victoria yard.”
Upon arrival, the boats were offloaded and stored in a secure place while the company worked with a lab to analyze dangerous materials. “They test for fuels, asbestos, lead paint and leachable metals,” he said. The next job included removing all on-board metals and electric materials to be recycled. Once cleaned, the hulls were crushed and deposited in the landfill. “All 17 derelicts were disposed of by the end of 2018,” he said.
Menzies added that wreck clearance is highly labour-intensive and the speed with which Salish Sea Industrial worked is due to the partnership with the others companies in the group. “We have the heavy equipment available, our own barge, the recycling facilities on site, the connections with both a laboratory and the landfill. As a group we have already found efficiencies we may be able to use in the future.”
Transport Canada provided the funding of $412,475 for the derelict removal with the Capital Regional District adding another 25% for a total of $515,593 for an average of more than $30,000 per boat. Let us hope that the proposed Bill C-64, making boat dumping illegal, will help to reduce these high taxpayer costs.
In his capacity as CBRA Chair and founder of the Cadboro Bay Dead Boats Society, Eric Dahli has written to Andrew Weaver, MLA for Oak Bay-Gordon Head for help in removing two more boats that have washed up at Gyro Beach:
Further to our discussion on October 26th, this will confirm our request for your assistance in helping us remove 2 derelict boats from Cadboro Bay. I have copied both Mayor Elect Haynes and Murdoch as there is a beached derelict boat in each of the Districts of Oak Bay and Saanich.
In addition to these two beached vessels there is a concern that at least two other vessels anchored in Cadboro Bay are fast approaching derelict status and the winter storms accompanied by gale force winds from the South East could add to the blight on the beach.
The Cadboro Bay Dead Boats Society and the residents of Cadboro Bay stand ready to assist and can provide additional information and clarification as required.
Coast Guard & BC Lands will apprise the participants of various related initiatives as they arise.
will prepare an inventory of boats moored and/or at anchor in Cadboro
Bay, and of moorage buoys present in Cadboro Bay. A preliminary
inventory has been commenced by Ian Hinkle (see note below) to determine
the numbers, locations, status and state of existing buoys, and any
indication of ownership.
will place an “identification request brochure” on each of the vessels
moored and anchored in Cadboro Bay, containing a brief advisory note and
fill-in sheet on the value to the owner of community and officials
knowing the contact for the boat in the event of a of a distress event
while moored or at anchor. A draft contact sheet will be prepared and
circulated for comment.
Participating Community Associations
will contact residents who have a view of Cadboro Bay requesting them
to report various vessel related issues under the auspice of “Cadboro
Bay Watch”. A draft contact information sheet will be prepared and
circulated for comment.
signage for placement at intervals on Cadboro Bay beach by both the
Municipalities of Saanich and Oak Bay will be prepared and circulated
for approval. Once approved these will be posted by both
Municipalities. For Example: VESSEL of CONCERN Call CANADA COAST GUARD 1-800-889-8852
next meeting will be called at the discretion of the Chair or upon
request of participants. It will be hosted by the Oak Bay Municipality.
Thanks to RVYC for hosting this first meeting
– Eric Dahli,
Chair, Cadboro Bay Residents Association and Co-Founder, Dead Boats Society
Note from Ian Hinkle
Dated : February 28,2018
There appear to be 16 buoys currently in Cadboro Bay that do not conform to Transport Canada regulations.
6 of these buoys currently have boats attached.
Only 1 of the 16 buoys has contact information on it.
I will send these, with a list of notes & GPS data, to the Receiver of Wrecks with a request that they take action.
Note of interest for the group:
Transport Canada perhaps can have these removed if a buoy is
non-conforming to existing regulations, but it should be considered that
not all of these non-conforming buoys necessarily present additional
of these buoys may in fact have better ground tackle and chain than
older/non-maintained buoys that appear to meet TC regulations at the
few full-size “conforming” buoys, for instance, have broken free during
recent winter storms with vessels gone ashore, due to a chain/shackle failure usually at the sea-floor.
said, it is my opinion that most of the boats that get blown ashore
locally are primarily: either poorly anchored, or have been attached to
small buoys/moorings with under-sized and insufficiently maintained
I will follow-up with a complete survey next week of all vessels currently anchored & on buoys in the bay.