Letters To the Board, Post

Re: Derelict and Abandoned Boats in Cadboro Bay Beach

Good Afternoon,

It was with great interest that I read the above article in todays issue of the Oak Bay News. A friend (Cadboro Bay Resident) and I were  doing garbage pick up at Caddy Beach, May 18 and noticed  5 derelict boats (2 partially submerged and 3 beached) there at that time.

I  sent a letter to Saanich Municipal Council as well as talked with John Roe of the Dead Boat Society. I also sent a letter to Andrew Weaver, though have not heard back. The automated reply from Saanich Municipal Council was that  it would be brought forward, though have not heard anything since.

I am delighted to hear that the Cadboro Bay Resident Association is  doing beach clean ups and is actively involved with the on-going issue of derelict and abandoned boats.

On another note, as we walked south along the beach, we came across many feet of coiled, perforated pipes. They appeared to be drainage pipes, though we were not sure about this. There was a lot of overhanging invasive ivy in that area, so was hard to get in underneath the ivy to investigate any further. I’d be very interested to know why it is there?

Is there also interest in removing invasive ivy from the beach and replacing with beach grass?

Kind Regards

Jacqueline Bird

Oak Bay Resident

[email address supplied]

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Derelict Boats update

From Jerry Donaldson for CBRA and Dead Boats Society:

It’s Thursday, May 21, 2020.  

The following boats are abandoned and/or derelict in the Bay:

  • Boat 1:  18 ft. power boat “Ms L.”, on the beach Saanich side.
  • Boat 2: Spellbound, 25 ft. sloop, on the beach, Oak Bay side.   
  • Boat 3: Free Spirit, 24 ft. sloop, below the high tide mark on the Oak Bay side 
  • Boat 4: Sea Lion, 27 ft.  sloop, the Oak Bay side. 
  • Boat 5: Name unknown, 28 ft.  sloop, sunk on the Saanich side 150 feet offshore, on the Saanich side.   
  • Boat 6: A sunken sailboat, maybe 18 ft. , a few hundred yards off-shore on the Saanich side  
  • Boat 7: Boat 7 has been removed by parties unknown 
  • Boat 8: Unnamed sloop, approximately 28 ft., on the rocks on the east side of the bay, in Saanich in front of 2855 Sea View Road. 

Removal efforts
John Roe has now posted the 30 day notice on each boat.  At the expiration of
30 days he will be in a position to launch removal efforts.
My information is that Boat 6 and Boat 8 may not be included in John Roe’s
efforts.  I will clarify that with him prior to the CBRA Board meeting next week.  There may be a Boat 9 on the east shore, near Boat 8.  More information as we received it. 

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Derelict Boat Report, May 11, 2020

Jerry Donaldson, board member of the CBRA and The Dead Boats Society, reports: 

It’s Monday, May 11, 2020.  Here is the Derelict Boat Report:

The following boats are abandoned and/or derelict in the Caboro Bay:

  • Boat 1: Ms L., 18 ft. power boat, on the beach Saanich side
  • Boat 2: Spellbound, 25 ft. sloop, on the beach, Oak Bay side.   
  • Boat 3: Free Spirit, 24 ft. sloop, below the high tide mark on the Oak Bay side 
  • Boat 4: Sea Lion, 27 ft. sloop, the Oak Bay side. 
  • Boat 5: Name unknown, 28 ft. sloop, sunk on the Saanich side 150 feet off-shore, on the Saanich side.   
  • Boat 6: A sunken sailboat, maybe 18 ft., a few hundred yards off-shore on the Saanich side  
  • Boat 7: Boat 7 has been removed by parties unknown 
  • Boat 8: Unnamed sloop, approximately 28 ft., on the rocks on the east side of the bay, in Saanich in front of 2855 Sea View Road. 

Update on removal efforts
John Roe has now posted the 30 day notice on each boat.  At the expiration of
30 days he will be in a position to launch removal efforts.”

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Derelict Boat Report: update

Jerry Donaldson, member of the CBRA and Dead Boats Society boards, reports:

  • Boat 1: 18 foot power boat Ms L., on the beach Saanich side. 
  • Boat 2:  Spellbound, 25 ft sloop, on the beach, Oak Bay side.   
  • Boat 3: Free Spirit, 24 ft sloop, below the high tide mark on the Oak Bay side 
  • Boat 4: Sea Lion, 27 ft sloop, the Oak Bay side. 
  • Boat 5: Name unknown, 28 ft sloop, sunk on the Saanich side 150 feet offshore, on the Saanich side.   
  • Boat 6: A sunken sailboat, maybe 18 ft, a few hundred yards offshore on the Saanich side  
  • Boat 7: Unnamed Haida, 26 ft, derelict, floating on the Saanich side 
  • Boat 8: Unnamed sloop, approximately 28 ft, on the rocks on the east side of the bay, in Saanich in front of 2855 Sea View Road. 

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One boat moored in QA Finnerty Cove is removed

Ian Hinkle—member of the Royal Victoria Yacht Club, part-time worker with C-Tow, and part of the original taskforce that got rid of the first derelict boats— advises: 

Just wanted to let you know that we got rid of one of the boats today that used to be in front of QA.

It was deemed a hazard, and after being brought in from Haro Strait, Transport Canada took steps today to let us to remove it. So we added it to the barge already in Oak Bay for the blue trimaran.

The guy living on the boats is  living on his other boat in Oak bay again-

But the good news is there is one fewer derelict boat on the coast.

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Unidentified sailboat beached

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A sailboat has beached on Gyro Beach this morning. 

No identification on the boat of any kind.  The Coast Guard has been also notified, and the RVYC was also contacted to see if it was one of theirs.  No response so far. If any reader can identify it, please contact Eric Dahli of the Dead Boats Society. 

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Saanich is planning on putting Do Not Cross tapes up around the boat.  Please keep your kids from climbing aboard and playing pirate.  

Thanks to Ian for the message and  to Jerry for the original call this morning.  

Update from Eric Dahli (CBRA Chair), Dec 22, 1pm: 

I am advised of the following:

  1. The owner has been in touch with the Coast Guard
  2. The owner has advised he will hire a tug to pull this very heavy Ferro cement boat off the beach.
  3. A neighbour  removed fuel and flammables from the boat earlier to-day.
  4. It appears that someone has been onboard both nights, removing items ( solar pane and yet to be determined articles from below deck.

If you are down on the beach and see someone on the boat, please check and see if they are the owner and if you can, get some contact information.

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Transport Canada launches Abandoned Boat program

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Cadboro Bay resident and RVYC member Marianne Scott reports the good news that first steps are being taken at the national level to deal derelict boats:

In October 2017, Transport Canada announced it would appropriate $6.85 million to clean up derelict boats. Called the Abandoned Boat Program, the funding would be spread over five years (PY September 2017). For 2018, British Columbia was to receive $412,475.

Individuals, municipalities and companies could apply for contracts to remove wrecks. The application paperwork was massive: each boat must be assessed individually and tested for hazardous materials. Applications for assessment and removals (A&R) projects opened on April 3, and Victoria’s Salish Sea Industrial Services won the bid to remove 17 wrecks from Salt Spring’s beaches.

A registered Aboriginal Business, Salish Sea partners with the Ralmax Group of Companies.  Project Manager Rob Menzies outlined the A&R process, which took a surprisingly short two months. “John Roe, a strong proponent of wreck removal through the Veins of Life Watershed Society, earmarked the wrecks,” he said. “He knew the most hazardous ones.”

The Ralmax Group has all the resources to tackle the A&R tasks. “After we signed our contract in October, we took a large barge to Salt Spring,” Menzies told me. “The 17 wood or fibreglass boats ranged from 18-85 feet and were dispersed iamong three locations. One had sunk and the others—including a 65-ft landing craft in Fulford Harbour—had washed up in the intertidal zone.”

What shocked Menzies and his colleagues was the rubbish that was heaped inside the wrecks. “Full garbage bags, old plywood, dog poop,” said Menzies. “These hulls were full. I just don’t how people can be OK with that.”

Starting on November 13, a heavy crane lifted the derelicts onto the barge. “We had high tides which helped us float the hulks intact,” said Menzies. “If we raised them from the beach, they could’ve disintegrated and spilled garbage and hazardous waste on the shore. We then towed the barge to our Victoria yard.”

Upon arrival, the boats were offloaded and stored in a secure place while the company worked with a lab to analyze dangerous materials. “They test for fuels, asbestos, lead paint and leachable metals,” he said. The next job included removing all on-board metals and electric materials to be recycled. Once cleaned, the hulls were crushed and deposited in the landfill. “All 17 derelicts were disposed of by the end of 2018,” he said.

Menzies added that wreck clearance is highly labour-intensive and the speed with which Salish Sea Industrial worked is due to the partnership with the others companies in the group. “We have the heavy equipment available, our own barge, the recycling facilities on site, the connections with both a laboratory and the landfill. As a group we have already found efficiencies we may be able to use in the future.”

Transport Canada provided the funding of $412,475 for the derelict removal with the Capital Regional District adding another 25% for a total of $515,593 for an average of more than $30,000 per boat. Let us hope that the proposed Bill C-64, making boat dumping illegal, will help to reduce these high taxpayer costs.

Marianne Scott

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CBRA appeals to ML for help with two more derelict boats

In his capacity as CBRA Chair and founder of the Cadboro Bay Dead Boats Society, Eric Dahli has written to Andrew Weaver, MLA for Oak Bay-Gordon Head for help in removing two more boats that have washed up at Gyro Beach:

Further to our discussion on October 26th, this will confirm our request for your assistance in  helping us remove 2 derelict boats from Cadboro Bay. I have copied both  Mayor Elect Haynes and Murdoch as there is a beached derelict boat in each of the Districts of Oak Bay and Saanich.  

In addition to these two beached  vessels there is a concern that at least two other vessels anchored in Cadboro Bay are fast approaching derelict status and the winter storms accompanied by gale force winds from the South East could add to the blight on the beach.

The Cadboro Bay Dead Boats Society and the residents of Cadboro Bay stand ready to assist and can provide  additional information and clarification as required.

Yours Truly

Eric Dahli, Founder

Cadboro Bay Dead Boats Society

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Outcome of the “Clean Cadboro Bay” meeting, Feb. 26

NOTES

Attendees:  See List


Outcomes and Actions:

  1. Coast Guard & BC Lands will apprise the participants of various related initiatives as they arise.
  2. Volunteers
    will prepare an inventory of boats moored and/or at anchor in Cadboro
    Bay, and of moorage buoys present in Cadboro Bay.  A preliminary  
    inventory has been commenced by Ian Hinkle (see note below) to determine
    the numbers, locations, status and state of existing buoys, and any
    indication of ownership.
  3. Volunteers
    will place an “identification request brochure” on each of the vessels
    moored and anchored in Cadboro Bay, containing a brief advisory note and
    fill-in sheet on the value to the owner of community and officials
    knowing the contact for the boat in the event of a of a distress event
    while moored or at anchor. A draft contact sheet will be prepared and
    circulated for comment.
  4. Participating Community Associations
    will contact residents who have a view of Cadboro Bay requesting them
    to report various vessel related issues under the auspice of “Cadboro
    Bay Watch”.  A draft contact information sheet will be prepared and
    circulated for comment.
  5. Draft
    signage for placement at intervals on Cadboro Bay beach by both the
    Municipalities of Saanich and Oak Bay will be prepared and circulated
    for approval. Once  approved these will be posted by both
    Municipalities. For Example: 
    VESSEL of CONCERN
    Call CANADA COAST GUARD 1-800-889-8852
  6. The
    next meeting will be called at the discretion of the Chair or upon
    request of participants. It will be hosted by the Oak Bay Municipality.

Thanks to RVYC for hosting this first meeting

– Eric Dahli, 

Chair, Cadboro Bay Residents Association and 
Co-Founder, Dead Boats Society

Note from Ian Hinkle

Dated : February 28,2018

There appear to be 16 buoys currently in Cadboro Bay that do not conform to Transport Canada regulations.

  • 6 of these buoys currently have boats attached.
  • Only 1 of the 16 buoys has contact information on it.

Photos (with GPS data) can be seen here

I will send these, with a list of notes & GPS data, to the Receiver of Wrecks with a request that they take action.

Note of interest for the group:

  • While
    Transport Canada perhaps can have these removed if a buoy is
    non-conforming to existing regulations, but it should be considered that
    not all of these non-conforming buoys necessarily present additional
    risk.
  • Some
    of these buoys may in fact have better ground tackle and chain than
    older/non-maintained buoys that appear to meet TC regulations at the
    surface.
  • A
    few full-size “conforming” buoys, for instance, have broken free during
    recent winter storms with vessels gone ashore, due to a chain/shackle failure usually at the sea-floor.
  • That
    said, it is my opinion that most of the boats that get blown ashore
    locally are primarily: either poorly anchored, or have been attached to
    small buoys/moorings with under-sized and insufficiently maintained
    ground tackle.

I will follow-up with a complete survey next week of all vessels currently anchored & on buoys in the bay.

Regards,

Ian